hello mr rabbit !
Excellant work on the site..Thank you for all the effort and time put into this.
help
currently building the two regiments of berg infantry for the Prussian 1815 Waterloo contingent, have the uniforms down but what to use for the regimental standards…hmmm
from the sources i have found; the postdam 1814 return of standards; the raising of the Krumper regiments getting the second battalion flag..what about the 28th & 29th regts ?
Unless some new information has come to light recently, the 13th to 31st Line regiments of 1815 carried no standards. Maybe some Company level banners but no flags or standards.
The 13th to 24th were the former “Reserve regiments of 1813-14 period. 25th to 27th former freikorps and various national raised battalions. As you know, the 28th and 29th came from the former state of Kleve-Berg (KB). When KB re-raised their regiments from the 1812 and early 1813 Russian disaster, the 1813 regiment had no standards….so I doubt any standards during 1815. After Waterloo…..much later in the 1815, the Prussian Line 13th to 34th received standards (32th to 34th regiments joined the army after Waterloo). I expect the standards were issued due to the Prussian Army’s Paris regional occupation. They were marching or pulling garrison “parade” duties about with their “allies”…hence the need for the standards then.
WR
P.S. the Berg regiments still had their white coats during the 1815 campaign. The Berg Grenadiers became the 3rd battalion (fusiliers) of the 29th Regt with their plumes (packed away for the campaign) sometime during the 1815 period…but when the regiment was formed up in early 1815 they started as the 1st btn. The fusilier btn’s of the 28th and the 29th regiment received some Prussian fusilier uniforms during 1815 campaign … especially the officers, hornists and NCO’s.
Do you have this site bookmarked? Covers 1815 uniforms in detail. Just click on the “blue lettered words” to drill down to the 28th and 29th then each battalion. http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/unites.php
Very good reply.Wargamerabbit. At Ligny the Berg units were ordered to wear their greatcoats to prevent the French practice of encouraging their former Allies to defect. Imagine – blazing hot June and fighting in an overcoat. I’d put a few grey coats and possibly feldmuetzes mixed in to the units to show the hasty nature of the formations’ equipment. I do use the French uniform as my starting point, without standards, modified shako, but have an extra base of figures with officer and flag which I can add in or leave out – I use the orange/red pre 1812 flag. This way I can use the units on either French or Allied side depending on what sort of game I am playing.
hello mr rabbit !
Excellant work on the site..Thank you for all the effort and time put into this.
help
currently building the two regiments of berg infantry for the Prussian 1815 Waterloo contingent, have the uniforms down but what to use for the regimental standards…hmmm
from the sources i have found; the postdam 1814 return of standards; the raising of the Krumper regiments getting the second battalion flag..what about the 28th & 29th regts ?
Rob,
Unless some new information has come to light recently, the 13th to 31st Line regiments of 1815 carried no standards. Maybe some Company level banners but no flags or standards.
The 13th to 24th were the former “Reserve regiments of 1813-14 period. 25th to 27th former freikorps and various national raised battalions. As you know, the 28th and 29th came from the former state of Kleve-Berg (KB). When KB re-raised their regiments from the 1812 and early 1813 Russian disaster, the 1813 regiment had no standards….so I doubt any standards during 1815. After Waterloo…..much later in the 1815, the Prussian Line 13th to 34th received standards (32th to 34th regiments joined the army after Waterloo). I expect the standards were issued due to the Prussian Army’s Paris regional occupation. They were marching or pulling garrison “parade” duties about with their “allies”…hence the need for the standards then.
WR
P.S. the Berg regiments still had their white coats during the 1815 campaign. The Berg Grenadiers became the 3rd battalion (fusiliers) of the 29th Regt with their plumes (packed away for the campaign) sometime during the 1815 period…but when the regiment was formed up in early 1815 they started as the 1st btn. The fusilier btn’s of the 28th and the 29th regiment received some Prussian fusilier uniforms during 1815 campaign … especially the officers, hornists and NCO’s.
Do you have this site bookmarked? Covers 1815 uniforms in detail. Just click on the “blue lettered words” to drill down to the 28th and 29th then each battalion.
http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/unites.php
Very good reply.Wargamerabbit. At Ligny the Berg units were ordered to wear their greatcoats to prevent the French practice of encouraging their former Allies to defect. Imagine – blazing hot June and fighting in an overcoat. I’d put a few grey coats and possibly feldmuetzes mixed in to the units to show the hasty nature of the formations’ equipment. I do use the French uniform as my starting point, without standards, modified shako, but have an extra base of figures with officer and flag which I can add in or leave out – I use the orange/red pre 1812 flag. This way I can use the units on either French or Allied side depending on what sort of game I am playing.
Interesting thought on how to use your Berg units….WR